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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan-VAGCHECK View Post
    Hi Bill,

    You think the TSR one is not up to the job then ?

    Or is it a cost/time scale thing that rules it out.

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    cost predominantly morgan.. although timescale is a factor currently

    I must admit I forgot about TSR one when I posted earlier.. the confidence comment is not appropriate for that one, it looks as good as you can get a fabricated one.

    TSR looks quality from the pictures

    only technical question I have on it is its bore size & longer runners vs spool... From the pictures it looks like 1.5" sch pipe. Is this the size ?

    PS. hope you are feeling better
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan-VAGCHECK View Post
    Hi Welly,

    Do you have any data or links you can share from the example(s) you have seen/heard about ?

    As far as I know only two are actually in existence... mine & one that I think was sold to someone from SCN but I have not heard anything more about that one… hence my interest in what you know.

    A bit more lag was indeed observed during our own first tests but we are not talking about a huge amount..

    After a little fettling the impact on spool times were quiet negligible... present yes but small. To be honest with some more tweaks I think it quiet possible they could be eliminated almost completely. (Bearing in mind the turbo also has a slightly weaker actuator, & ported waste gate compared to the logs I posted ages ago made with the stock mani)


    Here is one log of our mani testing where we have saturated the MAP sensor by 3120rpm, so I would hardly describe that as lag similar to what’s seen with BT's.. would you ?



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    that log looks ok...
    not a "fill" question, just a cost one then...

    I know the work involved and its not tsr cahing in, its that labour intensive to make something like that as well as that. (whoever fabs it for tsr will be putting in many hours to make one) - its the design which makes it that labour intensive & costly.. which is why I am attempting to make a simpler version.. less parts, less welding, but hopefully functional. We will see of course. might all go tits up yet - lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welly View Post
    That paints a somewhat different picture to the data that I saw...

    In retrospect, and taking the above into account that is not bad at all hitting full boost at 3100 is indeed not bad at all.

    I will try and find the data I saw - I can't remember where it was as I was looking into it back when I was changing manifold every 2 mins late last year...

    If I find it I shall PM you.

    Adding to this, I have just glanced at the outputs from the hybrid on the XS power mani - that wasn't reaching full boost until 3500 using smaller runners than the TSR...
    Hi Welly,

    If you do find it then it would be most appreciated if you can point me too it, because if this was last year then the logs in theory can only have come from my own TT... & I don't remember posting any ! (That said my memory is ****e)

    I did post a log recently at Bills request here (this does show more lag, but it had a little less pre-load on the actuator than the example above) >

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    Dane sorry for the small highjack, & I wish you all the best with your own hybrid build.

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    No worries mate, it's all good info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by badger5 View Post
    cost predominantly morgan.. although timescale is a factor currently

    I must admit I forgot about TSR one when I posted earlier.. the confidence comment is not appropriate for that one, it looks as good as you can get a fabricated one.

    TSR looks quality from the pictures

    only technical question I have on it is its bore size & longer runners vs spool... From the pictures it looks like 1.5" sch pipe. Is this the size ?

    PS. hope you are feeling better
    Hi Bill,

    I am told the runners are 35mm.

    Unfortunately I am still suffering a bit after the op... I just can't sit still & rest to let everything heal (Get bored very quickly!) but thanks for asking

    Apologies again to Dane for taking his build thread slightly off topic !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan-VAGCHECK View Post
    Apologies again to Dane for taking his build thread slightly off topic !
    Dont worry about it. Dane tends to de-rail everyone elses threads
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    Quote Originally Posted by Westle View Post
    Dont worry about it. Dane tends to de-rail everyone elses threads
    Oi! I've been good lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan-VAGCHECK View Post
    Morgan --- the spool you are getting on that manifold is excellent. I would put that as the standard to beat for any combination of hybrid turbo / aftermarket manifold. Did you ever log up to and past redline on it? I'd be interested to see when (if?) the boost pressure drops back into the MAP sensor's range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan-VAGCHECK View Post
    Hi Welly,

    If you do find it then it would be most appreciated if you can point me too it, because if this was last year then the logs in theory can only have come from my own TT... & I don't remember posting any ! (That said my memory is ****e)
    Will do. I'll have a look later.
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    Sorry to add to the drifting off topic Dane, here's a log of mine with the JBS manifold, i know they aren't available yet but you never know one day they might be.


    So is the main benefit of a higher flowing manifold so that the k04 can spool up a lot quicker??
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    high flow manifolds are there to support the flow.... and sustain it not choke it like oe one does.
    whether it spools faster? hmm dont know.

    Picture of TSR's mani for ref..

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    Quote Originally Posted by slappy_dunbar View Post
    Morgan --- the spool you are getting on that manifold is excellent. I would put that as the standard to beat for any combination of hybrid turbo / aftermarket manifold. Did you ever log up to and past redline on it? I'd be interested to see when (if?) the boost pressure drops back into the MAP sensor's range.

    Hi Slappy,

    Thanks for the comments.

    Spool is certainly not any real issue as you note.. however I am experiencing some very light surging. It’s not so bad pressure starts to fluctuate, but certainly flow can be a little unstable at lower rpm’s when stepping on the gas unless I limit the pressure to a level I find well... unexciting

    My own (hard) rev limiter is currently set at only 7100rpm although I will be raising this, so I have no logs higher than this currently.

    Below is an example from the same days testing nearly touching the rev limiter with actual pressure on top measured at ~1.65 bar on my external logger. (There was less pre-load on the actuator to the log above, but a little more N75 DC allowed)



    If anyone is wondering about the very high IAT's, these logs were more from an initial "endurance & is it going to work" mani testing session on TSR's dyno hence some long pulls at full load... IAT's do not get as hot as this in real world conditions.

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    you done much more on it since november last year?
    how would you sum it up if complete?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan-VAGCHECK View Post
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    Freaking sensational. Never mind the IATs -- you're running nearly 30secs continuously on a dyno. I love the power delivery you're getting, especially if you factor in the quicker spool illustrated above. Wow.

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    maybe 2283 based units are'nt all that bad eh doug?
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    Quote Originally Posted by badger5 View Post
    you done much more on it since november last year?
    how would you sum it up if complete?
    Hi Bill,

    Mapping wise very little has been done.. mainly due to it taking a back seat to customers vehicles, but also plenty of little unrelated hardware issues to be resolved.. fix one thing & in a matter of days I find something else needing attention..

    Leaking core in a few months old Forge FMIC... coolant leak on OE oil cooler jacket, fuel pump headaches, trip to bodyshop thanks to some idiot etc

    The only real progress with the mapping is it is now calibrated for & using a 3bar MAP sensor, so I can keep boost control fully closed loop.

    If I had to sum it up... its been a royal pain in the ass !

    I would like to think "hopefully" & assuming no more bad luck, it will all be finalised around late June.. bearing in mind I can't currently work/drive/make any progress due to the op.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan-VAGCHECK View Post
    The only real progress with the mapping is it is now calibrated for & using a 3bar MAP sensor, so I can keep boost control fully closed loop.
    That sounds useful - planning on running N75 control?
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    I'm going to pop over tonight if thats alright Bill?

    Also any word from Milltek?

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    we need teaser photos of the manifold. Dont let us down Dane!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welly View Post
    That sounds useful - planning on running N75 control?
    Hi Welly,

    My boost has always been controlled via the N75 with this hybrid... however previously in an "open loop" type manner.

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    ps make sure your heat wrap goes around your Forge charge pipe kids



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dane View Post
    ps make sure your heat wrap goes around your Forge charge pipe kids



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    Oh deah. I did notice you weren't running the heat wrap when I saw your car at Bills!

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    I think I ripped it, and now it won't stay in place

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dane View Post
    I think I ripped it, and now it won't stay in place
    Bloody hell. I didn't have heat wrap around mine and it came off fine.... Weird?
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    It came off easy enough, it had just melted around the lip on the charge pipe over the mani, I haven't been driving it that hard... honest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dane View Post
    It came off easy enough, it had just melted around the lip on the charge pipe over the mani, I haven't been driving it that hard... honest
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dane View Post
    It came off easy enough, it had just melted around the lip on the charge pipe over the mani, I haven't been driving it that hard... honest
    No doubt it happened when I drove it!
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    There we go, thats the reason, Westle broke something else on my car! Thrashing it around the roundabouts - me clinging on for dear life

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dane View Post
    There we go, thats the reason, Westle broke something else on my car! Thrashing it around the roundabouts - me clinging on for dear life
    I cant remember what the first thing was I broke?

    I treated your car like a fine woman. I was soft and gentle and caressed her through the bends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Westle View Post
    I treated your car like a fine woman. I was soft and gentle and caressed her through the bends.
    That's not how I like to treat fine women....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welly View Post
    That's not how I like to treat fine women....
    Ok ok, I was hard and rough and slapped her about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Westle View Post
    Ok ok, I was hard and rough and slapped her about.
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    he slapped me about and all!

    I can't remember what the first thing was(n't)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Welly View Post
    Excellent, a good old pull on the hair normally goes down well too...

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    I appear to have de-railed my own thread lol
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    back with new bottle, on contract with air-products now. smaller bottle, higher pressure built in regulator.. bought another flow gauge also now so I will have full control of purge.. I have to say tho this mani is a proper PIA to make
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