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    If you run out, just fire anything in there, bottled water from the shop, it will help.Also motorway driving is where i use the least amount of meth as i am not on boost the whole time.Farting around town on low gear's/high boost is where i use the most, and logging, you will pi$$ through the stuff when logging.I buy it in 25l drums.

    I have only gone thru 1 x 25l drum since i set it up a few months back, everyone is different, if you are on boost the whole time you will fly thru the stuff.
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    Hi Bill, i spied a few bottle of the industry stuff over here that uses Methanol and yes i had an incident with this stuff also, ( well, diliberate incident, LOL) so be careful, use gloves in a well ventilated place and dont get it in your eyes or smoke near it.If you have to have it at your residence make sure its away from the house if poss or in a locked container, its nasty ass stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badger5 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieRolex View Post
    Hi Bill, i spied a few bottle of the industry stuff over here that uses Methanol and yes i had an incident with this stuff also, ( well, diliberate incident, LOL) so be careful, use gloves in a well ventilated place and dont get it in your eyes or smoke near it.If you have to have it at your residence make sure its away from the house if poss or in a locked container, its nasty ass stuff.
    Is it good for flow testing manifolds....?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieRolex View Post
    if you are on boost the whole time you will fly thru the stuff.
    That pretty much describes me to a T. Bugger.
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    if its mapped to run with it will it sh*t itself when it runs out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by superkarl View Post
    if its mapped to run with it will it sh*t itself when it runs out?
    It depends on how much advanced timing you have dialled in for the WMI, i turned mine off the other day while logging and she started pulling 9* of timing retard, timing retard of over 10* and you should be worried, this can be a factor in engine destruction and should be avoided according to the TT tweakers guide.

    If you run out the engine will run fine as long as you avoid WOT and just generally avoid giving her a thrashing until you top up.If you can't top up with Menthanol/water you can still use water to cool you will just be missing the octane(stablisation) to the fuel the methanol offers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieRolex View Post
    It depends on how much advanced timing you have dialled in for the WMI, i turned mine off the other day while logging and she started pulling 9* of timing retard, timing retard of over 10* and you should be worried, this can be a factor in engine destruction and should be avoided according to the TT tweakers guide.

    If you run out the engine will run fine as long as you avoid WOT and just generally avoid giving her a thrashing until you top up.If you can't top up with Menthanol/water you can still use water to cool you will just be missing the octane(stablisation) to the fuel the methanol offers.
    Hmmmm, like you said, if you stay off the boost then all should be well. Not ideal though, I still think a spare few litres in the boot would be a good idea.
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    Found a methanol supplier.

    He is able to deliver me 50 litres of virgin grade meth for Ł60 all in, including containers.

    What prices are everyone else paying?
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    Personally, i'd map the engine WITHOUT the meth.

    Adding the meth on top without tweaking the map will still give you more power and reduce temps etc, but then should you run out your not going to blow it up, as the map is safe to run without it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aragorn View Post
    Personally, i'd map the engine WITHOUT the meth.

    Adding the meth on top without tweaking the map will still give you more power and reduce temps etc, but then should you run out your not going to blow it up, as the map is safe to run without it.
    Half of me agrees with you, the other half doesn't.

    I agree with the fact that you build in safety and reliability without dialling in extra timing. The higher octane fuel and the cooling effect of the water will make a difference anyway.

    BUT

    The additional timing advance possible is a real tempter. 4 degrees at the minimum advance is realistic, and in my eyes is partially the point of a WMI install.

    Hmmmmm.
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    I just dont think its worth the risk.

    Your pump could fail, fuse could blow, wires/pipes could come off etc.

    Plenty folk running WMI on S4's and RS4's that are tuned to the moon, and the general consensus over there is you map the engine without it, then add the WMI later to gain some power and add a bigger safety margin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aragorn View Post
    I just dont think its worth the risk.

    Your pump could fail, fuse could blow, wires/pipes could come off etc.

    Plenty folk running WMI on S4's and RS4's that are tuned to the moon, and the general consensus over there is you map the engine without it, then add the WMI later to gain some power and add a bigger safety margin.
    I'll take that on board, because I do completely see your point. It is a risky business....
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    Crank it up to 11 Welly.
    You know how much you love taking that engine out and rebuilding it anyway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JS1500 View Post
    Crank it up to 11 Welly.
    You know how much you love taking that engine out and rebuilding it anyway...

    Hmmmmm. That would be some good timing advance!! lol. 11 degrees should see getting on for 30bhp gain.
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    Do it!
    Then when something goes pop you've got a great excuse for the 3.2T conversion...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JS1500 View Post
    Do it!
    Then when something goes pop you've got a great excuse for the 3.2T conversion...
    I swear sometimes you people are my worst enemy.... lol.
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    I put on an additional 12* up top when testing the WMI, i wouldn't recommend this for everyday use and it should be noted that you don't want to add timing across the range with the likes of lemmiwinks moreover the timing should be added up top where you are using the WMI, Bill can do this.
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    You might be happy with gains you get from no extra timing, and it will be safer. Win win.

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    Boring .
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    Haha. Suppose you gotta push the boundaries eh

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    wmi and timing advance is a choice.. as is what wmi % you mix

    folks can decide whats right for them

    the majority I see however are running additional ign to go with the wmi, and running full on 50-50 mix for all of the gains.. but keeping an eye on things also.
    You can buy kits which will drop out the boost when the wmi's run out, so you can make a safe system. Its a little more costly of course but its an option for those who worry about forgetting about the tank level.
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    True Bill, its definetly not a mod you can install and forget about, along with topping up, it needs maintenance. However most kits have a level sensor that can inform you in car if you are running low.I used the sensor from my washer bottle, you could hear that think beep from outside the car, many a time it scared the ****e out of me when driving hard. I am keeping my eye out for a long thin reservoir that i can mount along the crash bar or something, 15L+ it would help me get more weight on my poor little 2fwd.
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    Hmmmmm - update - see this:

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    Hmmmmm - update - see this:

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    Awesome news mate
    Ive been Badger 5'd

    Can we break the magic 300?????? In a word Yes 314 BHP 249 lbft at Badger 5

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    Well, I've spent some dosh today....

    Bought a cooling mist WMI kit - mainly for the pump and pipework etc. 150 psi pump and it also comes with a tank which I won't be using. Ł100 delivered.

    Also bought a Golf MK4 V6 4Motion subframe. Well, not just the subframe, also comes with the ARB, drop links, wishbones and steering rack with track rods and ends. Ł65 collected from Solihull. Bargain!

    Hopefully the sub frame, combined with new bolts & rack mount bushes will solve my 'Phantom Clunk', and the WMI kit gives me all the stuff I need to get on and fit WMI.

    That combined with a potential manifold makes this a good week....
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    Great Welly get the spanners out, particulary interested in the WMI install

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    You can flog that steering rack for about a hundred to the mk4 golf guys - they are always after those. Bargain m8!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiGainey View Post
    You can flog that steering rack for about a hundred to the mk4 golf guys - they are always after those. Bargain m8!
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    OK, binned the EVAP system tonight.

    Easy enough job to do to be fair. I will post up pics tomorrow when I can get some in the light to demonstrate how/what/where it's done.

    Has made an ideal space for my WMI pump to live - really pleased...
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    So - pics:

    Planned place:



    Post removal of EVAP.







    Nice and close to the screenwash tank (which I plan to use as the Water Meth tank) meaning no long pipe runs. It will also be nicely protected from the elements living there.

    Just waiting for the pump etc to arrive so I can mock up sizes and make a bracket to fit. The threaded holes from the Carbon Canister will be most useful for that me thinks...
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    Nice one dude, you've got your engine cover on! are you feeling alright?

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    where did you get your oil filler cap??? thats a nice little touch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dane View Post
    Nice one dude, you've got your engine cover on! are you feeling alright?


    I do try and keep it on these days after the amount of abuse I got up at ADI and Audis In The Park.... lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superkarl View Post
    where did you get your oil filler cap??? thats a nice little touch
    My missus's parents bought it for me for Christmas - which was really appreciated actually...

    Ebay here: Oil Cap for A2 A3 A4 A6 Q7 RS2 RS4 RS6 S2 S3 S4 S6 TT on eBay (end time 28-Jan-11 04:15:45 GMT)

    Available in about a million colours, and really well made to be fair. It's turned from a billet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welly View Post


    I do try and keep it on these days after the amount of abuse I got up at ADI and Audis In The Park.... lol.
    haha! The 'screws' that hold mine down have gone walk abouts so I may be feeling that rath this year

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    Welly, any benefits to removing the evap system?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dani_B19 View Post
    Welly, any benefits to removing the evap system?
    Not performance wise, no to be fair. I didn't think there would be any, I did it solely to make better use of space.

    On the other hand, you do get rid of a bloody ugly stupid canister.... Also obviously, IMO, getting rid of pipework can only be a good thing.

    The solenoid seems to have stopped click as well which is a bonus, as that used to drive me mental.

    Will monitor MPG over the coming weeks, as I suspect that if anything, that's what it will affect.

    Be warned people with AMK engines or BAMs doing this that you should expect to see an 'EVAP System incorrect flow detected' fault code, even if you leave the solenoid plugged in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welly View Post
    ...Be warned people with AMK engines or BAMs doing this that you should expect to see an 'EVAP System incorrect flow detected' fault code, even if you leave the solenoid plugged in.
    Yarp...

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