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    As in Audizine? Yeah, do it if you wouldn't mind dude, trying to get the word out.
    Looks like i didn't need to....

    Always an option if nowt happens etc etc

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    FYI, the mani has now been removed from ebay awaiting 034 Motorsport and INA Engineering.

    A relief I must say.
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    OK, so, moving on from the manifold saga, I continue on my merry way for now.

    Whilst I wait for 034 to sort something out with new materials for casting, I am going to crack on with the WMI and get that in and done ready for the new manifold (whoever makes it....) to arrive and get fitted etc.

    Looking to start work next weekend on this, as I want a weekend off to play on the Playstation and drink beer.... Plus I have some bits to source and sort out in the interim.
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    what happened to the group buy you git save me money god dame you


    ( oh wait you have by finding out the manifold was poo) lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy Steve View Post
    what happened to the group buy you git save me money god dame you


    ( oh wait you have by finding out the manifold was poo) lmao
    In my defence dude, I haven't bought it from Devil's own. I've cobbled together the various bits instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy Steve View Post
    what happened to the group buy you git save me money god dame you


    ( oh wait you have by finding out the manifold was poo) lmao
    Will defo look to sort this out in the new year mate as I want WMI too... in a seperate thread of course rather than spam Welly's thread up

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    Quote Originally Posted by tufftybloke View Post
    Will defo look to sort this out in the new year mate as I want WMI too... in a seperate thread of course rather than spam Welly's thread up
    I like spam....



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookstein View Post
    replica handbags anyone...
    You *******, you must have read my mind. I genuinely thought about posting EXACTLY that this morning!! Great minds think alike... lol.

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    Welly it's the dvc-30 stage 2 controller you have with built in 30psi map sensor.
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    OK - work has stopped on this currently due to lack of funds with Christmas on the horizon.... Bah humbug, and a moaning girlfriend.

    Hoping to get back on this this weekend in anger....
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    OK - a bit of a revival here.

    WMI has temporarily been shelved - I have had no time at all to even consider getting anything done, as Christmas shopping etc has taken precedence annoyingly.

    In the short term - I need to pipe my N75 in parallel to the MBC. Not for me, as I know how to drive it OK as it is. However, my missus is now insured, and insists on driving the thing - which I don't mind, but she uses mid throttle a lot and the turbo doesn't know whether it's coming or going.

    Also will be fitting a catch can reasonably soon, as I want one basically. Another thing to find room for under the bonnet...

    Next on the list is WMI - but that will probably get looked at between Xmas and New Year when I have some time off work.

    Still awaiting firm dates on a reasonable replacement high flow manifold. JBS don't have any currently, and likely won't until the new year.

    Its annoying as I am so close to getting this project finished and a line drawn underneath it, BUT small things are stopping me...
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    all in good time.

    i like the way you say your mrs uses mid throttle, implying with you its all or nothing haha, nice.

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    Welly i think you'll be like me a never ending project!
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    steves is way quicker than any stock turbo'd s3 i have driven
    I only date skinny Women! They keep my power to weight higher...

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    Quote Originally Posted by superkarl View Post
    all in good time.

    i like the way you say your mrs uses mid throttle, implying with you its all or nothing haha, nice.


    I'm not known for being a slow driver....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy Steve View Post
    Welly i think you'll be like me a never ending project!
    Hmmmm, as much as it pains me. I get bored so quickly if I've not got something in hand.

    I really want an RS4 lump....
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    Well peoples.... Results from the evening work...

    I have done the N75C/MBC parallel installation this evening, as I had feck all else to do....

    Anyway, easy enough to do in fairness - diagram below:



    Got the idea from Tuffty who has been having the same driveability issues as me. The turbo trying to achieve full boost all the time kills MPG really badly, as well as giving a lot of compressor stall mid throttle which isn't the best.

    Anyway, did some logs before and after. Will take photos of the install during the light tomorrow - it's a bit dark out there at the moment.

    Before logs:

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    Monday	13	December	2010	18:49:08											
    8L0 906 018 N		1.8L R4/5VT     G   0002													
    															
    	Group A:	'002				Group B:	'020				Group C:	'115			
    		RPM	Load	Inj. On Time	Mass Flow		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization		RPM	Load	Absolute Pres.	Absolute Pres.
    	TIME					TIME					TIME				
    Marker	STAMP	 /min	%	 ms	 g/s	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF	STAMP	 /min	%	 mbar	 mbar
    	143.4	2240	39.8	2.87	16.11	143.89	0	0	0	0	142.99	2200	39.8	1010	1060
    	144.79	2240	39.8	2.87	16.72	145.19	0	0	0	0	144.39	2240	39.8	1010	1060
    	145.99	2280	50.4	4.1	25.75	146.39	0	0	0	0	145.6	2240	39.1	1010	1060
    	147.28	2560	125.6	8.61	65.69	147.7	0	0	0	0	146.9	2440	108.3	2020	1250
    	148.59	3240	191.7	15.58	143.86	148.99	6	3	3	6	148.1	2920	184.2	2550	1920
    	149.81	4080	191.7	17.22	186.17	150.29	5.3	2.3	3	5.3	149.39	3800	191.7	2550	2520
    	151.09	4960	191.7	18.45	225.42	151.49	5.3	2.3	3	6.8	150.69	4720	191.7	2550	2540
    	152.29	5760	191.7	18.45	252.81	152.78	3.8	2.3	3	6	151.89	5480	191.7	2550	2530
    	153.7	6520	191.7	17.63	259.67	154.1	2.3	2.3	2.3	3.8	153.3	6320	191.7	2550	2470
    	154.9	7040	191.7	15.99	268.19	155.41	1.5	1.5	1.5	2.3	154.5	6880	191.7	2550	2440
    	156.29	7600	185.7	14.76	269.22	156.69	0	0	0	0	155.89	7400	190.2	2550	2470
    So... from these the main concern was the timing pull. Over 6's is bad, so I backed the timing down a little after these logs.

    After logs:
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    Monday	13	December	2010	21:17:24											
    8L0 906 018 N		1.8L R4/5VT     G   0002													
    															
    	Group A:	'002				Group B:	'020				Group C:	'115			
    		RPM	Load	Inj. On Time	Mass Flow		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization		RPM	Load	Absolute Pres.	Absolute Pres.
    	TIME					TIME					TIME				
    Marker	STAMP	 /min	%	 ms	 g/s	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF	STAMP	 /min	%	 mbar	 mbar
    	296.84	2000	18	1.23	3	297.25	0	0	0	0	296.44	1680	13.5	1710	1030
    	298.15	2280	35.3	3.28	17.17	298.55	0	0	0	0	297.65	2280	19.5	1010	1040
    	299.35	2480	95.5	6.15	49.97	299.75	0	0	0	0	298.95	2400	71.4	1010	1070
    	300.55	2960	191.7	13.94	130.75	300.95	0	0	0	3	300.15	2760	151.9	2550	1580
    	301.75	3920	191.7	17.63	200	302.18	3	3	3	3	301.35	3560	191.7	2550	2500
    	303.04	4920	191.7	18.45	227.97	303.56	3	6	3	2.3	302.64	4640	191.7	2550	2540
    	304.36	5800	191.7	18.45	263.22	304.76	3	5.3	3	2.3	303.96	5560	191.7	2550	2540
    	305.56	6440	191.7	18.45	267.31	305.96	3	5.3	2.3	2.3	305.16	6240	191.7	2550	2520
    	306.76	6960	191.7	17.22	275	307.16	2.3	4.5	2.3	2.3	306.36	6800	191.7	2550	2490
    	307.99	7320	191.7	16.4	275.58	308.34	0	0	0	0	307.54	7200	191.7	2550	2500
    From looking at the two side by side, its a surprising result. The N75/MBC combination actually holds boost better at the top end of the rev band. A surprising result to be fair.

    Backing the timing down has brought the pull back into reasonable tolerances as well.

    Based on this, airflow is up on what it was previously, seeing 269 g/s before the change and 275.5 g/s post change. This is mainly due to the turbo holding boost better towards the top end of the rev band.

    Interesting....
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    would this have any sort of benefit on a standard turbo'd car?

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    Quote Originally Posted by superkarl View Post
    would this have any sort of benefit on a standard turbo'd car?
    Hmmmm, not really, the MBC is there to cap an otherwise uncontrollable boost spike from the hybrid.

    Maybe useful on Stage 2 cars.
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    6's are nothing... lol,

    good work dude!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dane View Post
    6's are nothing... lol
    Hmmmmmmm...
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    Nice results, is it just bleeding a bit of the wastgate pressure from the n75 then, instead of all or nothing that mbc,s tend to do....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byzan A4 View Post
    Has issam been pointed towards this post?
    I only get pointed towards posts that are sent to me. I didnt expect Bill to post this on every forum he was on.....only on SCN (where the situation took place). Whatever the case I have been and will take care of all the customers involved like I have done in the past.

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    The "situation" took place here Issam
    SCN was secondary.. He drives an Audi S3, this is an Audi forum.. SCN is a SEAT Forum

    MANY folks were and are very eager in anticipation of a Reliable hi-flow k04 exhaust manifold..

    this remains the case...
    the ball is firmly in your/034 court to make this good for both Welly the customer who is without a reliable hi-flow manifold he has paid for currently, and has lost his power whilst back on stock k04 manifold.. Which keeps running without falling apart, from the very same tune as the 034 one failed on.

    A reliable ETA on the new cast material manifolds is still being asked I think

    you could sell plenty if its reliable...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welly View Post
    Hmmmmmmm...
    I was having a joke at my expense as I was pulling 12's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dane View Post
    I was having a joke at my expense as I was pulling 12's
    LOL, I know dude, I got it..... hehe
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    Anyway, really pleased with last night's work.

    MPG on the motorway this morning has dramatically improved. Getting 32+ MPG at part throttle and on cruise control which is far better than the ~28 I was getting.

    It's much more driveable as well. Before, on MBC only, even on light throttle, the turbo was winding up to try and achieve full boost. This was irritating...
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    what you doing driving on part throttle anyway welly you big girl !!!!!!!!!! WOT FTW
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    steves is way quicker than any stock turbo'd s3 i have driven
    I only date skinny Women! They keep my power to weight higher...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy Steve View Post
    what you doing driving on part throttle anyway welly you big girl !!!!!!!!!! WOT FTW
    I do lots of motorway miles mate, and the missus is now insured and wants to drive it as well. It was a bit too lary for her all the time as it was, now it's a better all rounder, as well as more powerful...
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    Read and responded...

    Ding ding. I believe thats the bell for round 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by finesse View Post
    welly, !!! get a refund on the Christmas shopping

    Audi S4 engine on eBay (end time 18-Dec-10 07:53:18 GMT)

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    a big shoe horn
    Don't tease me.... lol.
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